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		<title>By: Jacob Wintersmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Wintersmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On second thought, let me amend that. Marxism does seek many of the same &lt;em&gt;ends&lt;/em&gt; desired by libertarianism, perhaps moreso than left-liberalism does. Regarding &lt;em&gt;means&lt;/em&gt;, Marxists are of course far left of the leftist liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, let me amend that. Marxism does seek many of the same <em>ends</em> desired by libertarianism, perhaps moreso than left-liberalism does. Regarding <em>means</em>, Marxists are of course far left of the leftist liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Wintersmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Wintersmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I find it interesting that you believe Marxism is more comparable to libertarianism than liberalism.&quot;

I don&#039;t. And I suspect that lots of people who consider themselves Marxists object to Chris Dillow describing himself as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find it interesting that you believe Marxism is more comparable to libertarianism than liberalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t. And I suspect that lots of people who consider themselves Marxists object to Chris Dillow describing himself as such.</p>
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		<title>By: adina</title>
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		<dc:creator>adina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jacob, 

I find it interesting that you believe Marxism is more comparable to libertarianism than liberalism. 
I agree with you, and I think the mix-up of all these labels is absurd. 
Take George Orwell. His suspicion of the state leads libertarians like to claim him as their own, until the Left &quot;corrects&quot; them by informing them that he was a self-described &quot;Socialist &quot;. But Orwell actually favored &quot;The idea of an earthly paradise in which men should live together in a state of brotherhood, without laws and without brute labour, [which] had haunted the human imagination for thousands of years.&quot;
A paradise with no laws, but still plenty of brotherhood (i.e. charity, volunteerism, etc.), reminds me more of a &quot;Marxitarianism,&quot; not a bailout-junky leftism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacob, </p>
<p>I find it interesting that you believe Marxism is more comparable to libertarianism than liberalism.<br />
I agree with you, and I think the mix-up of all these labels is absurd.<br />
Take George Orwell. His suspicion of the state leads libertarians like to claim him as their own, until the Left &#8220;corrects&#8221; them by informing them that he was a self-described &#8220;Socialist &#8220;. But Orwell actually favored &#8220;The idea of an earthly paradise in which men should live together in a state of brotherhood, without laws and without brute labour, [which] had haunted the human imagination for thousands of years.&#8221;<br />
A paradise with no laws, but still plenty of brotherhood (i.e. charity, volunteerism, etc.), reminds me more of a &#8220;Marxitarianism,&#8221; not a bailout-junky leftism.</p>
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